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so, there -- don't republicans have a gripe that he is kind of skewed in favor of taxes, taxes, taxes? >> i'm not going to play a pun it hire, our purpose in coming to washington a group of three democrats and three republican governors to make sure that perspective of the governors is heard. we you know meeting with the president today was very productive. he -- >> how? how it was productive? what did he agree to? >> look, we didn't come to support his plan or the republican plan. i think -- >> why did the come? why? >> we came because as these conversations are going on. we want to make sure that perspective of the governors is heard, the fact that states are partners with federal government across a whole range of programs, and answer is not just a shift of cost to state, you don't -- just because you move money off federal budget does not mean you are safe figure money is picked up by the state. we talk about importance of flexibility in terms of some state programs. and president was open to that. neil: you run one of the most i guess for lack of a better term, one of the more in
so, there -- don't republicans have a gripe that he is kind of skewed in favor of taxes, taxes, taxes? >> i'm not going to play a pun it hire, our purpose in coming to washington a group of three democrats and three republican governors to make sure that perspective of the governors is heard. we you know meeting with the president today was very productive. he -- >> how? how it was productive? what did he agree to? >> look, we didn't come to support his plan or the republican...
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lou: $600 billion in taxes? >> spending reductions and tax increases. the economy can't handle that. without a doubt, head into recession if we're over the cliff. lou: now, are you in agreement? >> i am, carl's absolutely right, nevertheless, the markets have effectively been yawning. equity markets, go higher, corporate credit market improves, commodity prices rising, and the ten-year treasury yield is dipping to new lows. i can't figure this out. everybody seems to -- lou: i know -- >> they are in a mood, and that worries me. somebody has to be wrong, and big time. >> yawning until they don't. that's the concern. lou: i know this would be stunning and alarming to economists who would never contemplate themselves being wrong on this, but is this some possibility that everyone is wrong about this? that these are actually men and women of good will in both parties who are beginning to come together in one great warm embrace sometime before christmas day and give the nation such a great boost of spirit of good will and reach agreement here? >> i don't kno
lou: $600 billion in taxes? >> spending reductions and tax increases. the economy can't handle that. without a doubt, head into recession if we're over the cliff. lou: now, are you in agreement? >> i am, carl's absolutely right, nevertheless, the markets have effectively been yawning. equity markets, go higher, corporate credit market improves, commodity prices rising, and the ten-year treasury yield is dipping to new lows. i can't figure this out. everybody seems to -- lou: i know...
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name, and, now, the tax cuts are good. how can this be? it's interesting, isn't it? that's all for us. have a great weekend. we'll see you monday. good night from new york. ♪ neil: sometimes you can sum up a week with a couple words, but this week, it's with this ad. >> cutting hundreds of billions of dollars from medicare and medicaid short change the people who need it the most. if you don't want seniors to come up empty, call your members of congress and tell them don't make a bad deal that cuts our care. neil: if that doesn't tell you real cuts are not coming, neighbor 101 democratic congressman want not to cut social security could drop a hint coming days after the national black cause cues coming further urging all entitlements, not just social security, be left off the cliff talks. you wonder why i fear we had headed for the cliff fast. welcome, everybody, i'm neil cavuto. that's really the deal this week. no deal this week. hence, that if one of the seriously coming behind closed doors, it's one that risks closin
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back to the campaign for tax plan would raise the taxes. it is not going to happen. we have liberals like "the new york times" rally around certain tax form saying no and will not touch that. they did not want tax reform come it will not happen. tracy: we have not heard a word about that coming up in 21 days. >> busy expiration on the payroll tax cut, all of those extenders, this is all coming to a head. there's a lot of progress in washington right now, so at best talking with dealing with the bush era policies and the rest is pushed even further into 2013. tracy: even the extenders probably will get punted for a year or extended for a year. so here we are again this time next year we wwll have the same conversation. >> that is just how it goes forward. we have to accep accepted is goe done. tracy: the only way to do this is to throw the book out and start over. republicans offered it to them three times. offered it to them last week and turned it down flat. not interested forming the tax. i think we're in perilous times and we're down to
back to the campaign for tax plan would raise the taxes. it is not going to happen. we have liberals like "the new york times" rally around certain tax form saying no and will not touch that. they did not want tax reform come it will not happen. tracy: we have not heard a word about that coming up in 21 days. >> busy expiration on the payroll tax cut, all of those extenders, this is all coming to a head. there's a lot of progress in washington right now, so at best talking with...
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there's not a tax for that, pretty sure. to the point to have the additional costs which would have to be hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars, where's that's coming from? unless they use taxes on fuels to be the solution, that, at least, in theory, does not st the government money. it doesn't mean it passes or have other effects. neil: cost money? >> not economy, but it will not look like they need o spend to solve the problem if that's the way it es. neil: [inaudible] >> yeah, we're broke. we're turn your pockets inside out, it's over. no money. neil: you got the point across. thank you, both, very much. washington, we have a problem. don't think so? here's it's straight from the real guys behind this, after this. ♪ >> in is hoton, say again, please. >> houston, we have a problem. we have a main bolt, we have a lot of thruster, activity, houston. houston. just went offline. having you ship my gifts couldn't be easier. well, having a ton of locations doesn't hurt. and a santa to boot! [ chuckles ] right, baby. oh,
there's not a tax for that, pretty sure. to the point to have the additional costs which would have to be hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars, where's that's coming from? unless they use taxes on fuels to be the solution, that, at least, in theory, does not st the government money. it doesn't mean it passes or have other effects. neil: cost money? >> not economy, but it will not look like they need o spend to solve the problem if that's the way it es. neil: [inaudible] >>...
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a little the taxes they are talking about. no one likes to pay more taxes, but the effect on the market, the things that are being proposed would be overstated. i don't think a downgrading by the credit agencies is factored into people's thinking. so that part of it, if they do something that makes the credit agencies, all of them in unison downgrade as to something below, think about this, that is not a good thing. that disturbs the markets. lou: so and other smart people watched, the speaker off fumbled through his rhetoric to say how tough he is and how resolute the white house will be in all of this. the reaction is in the markets, if it goes another couple of weeks. >> people are saying we are all idiots. people who don't have anything to do with washington and we have to live in places where we are the safest. the debt market or the equities market, particularly the equities market. china, germany, the u.s. they can survive these crazy politicians. lou: tell important. what do you think we can expect? >> far less signifi
a little the taxes they are talking about. no one likes to pay more taxes, but the effect on the market, the things that are being proposed would be overstated. i don't think a downgrading by the credit agencies is factored into people's thinking. so that part of it, if they do something that makes the credit agencies, all of them in unison downgrade as to something below, think about this, that is not a good thing. that disturbs the markets. lou: so and other smart people watched, the speaker...
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we are growingt two percent and shod be growing at four percent annually and right tax an regulatory policy to liberate job creators to do that i don't think we would have a food sta crisis. >> i think thi all of us could agree. that is keeping poor people poor because they are pushing welfare programs. >>, you shouldn't be shocked with the bureaucracy a advertising in promotion to justify. >> hold on, it is it shocking. it is shocking that government officials would want to keep people poor. >> but let me give you an example and this goes back a few years and a narrow casting example. but the new york city subway used to have posters written in spanish advertising a gay, lesbian domestic violence hot line. that's how fine grained it get in new york new york city on the subway pushi welfare programs. it informs and pushes them. >> but getting back to the porty program and they're pushing food stamps and welfare programs and they have a tendency to keep poor people poor. once you are on the dole it is hard tore get off. >> it is. incentives arerong. they encourage people to stay on it
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reform said we can -- we don't have to raise tax rates, we can lower tax rates by capping deducts. he said that. lou: where is coordinated action and rhetoric from the party? i'm talking about from mayors to governors. >> we have been great with policy, but we've been clumsy courtroom communicators. >> boehner will let this backfire, we are higher taxing, no growth, no jobs, fake interest rates, in two years the republican party comes back stronger. >> we're sing is political fear at its best, by being a washington dc insider i belve we can still get a deal, we have two proposal on the table. >> to get to your point, lou, from a conservative perspective, over in 6 was a national suicide. -- november 6 was a national suicide. a very thin find red line, that red line of republican party. if this party also commits suicide, this will be catastrophic. neil: we'll explore further why it is that republicans are having trouble with two areas, one winning elects and the other governing, we'll be back with tha-team, and we'll find out who is in charge o this assault on christmas among other
reform said we can -- we don't have to raise tax rates, we can lower tax rates by capping deducts. he said that. lou: where is coordinated action and rhetoric from the party? i'm talking about from mayors to governors. >> we have been great with policy, but we've been clumsy courtroom communicators. >> boehner will let this backfire, we are higher taxing, no growth, no jobs, fake interest rates, in two years the republican party comes back stronger. >> we're sing is political...
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gains tax cut, not from the income-tax increase. lou: you and i have done what the republican, perhaps too often. we talk about the economics of it, the theory of it, if you will, the extraction of it, but but the reality is the republican party has nt come up with a rejoinder, a response to a, if you will, a socialist redistributionist president who right now claims e field is on because the is no other standard flying over that field. there is a speaker of the house to is simply saying, this is not right. you know, we are not at the table and complaining, but not, not engaging. >> i think we have got to engage the argument. we cannot win the argument while acknowledging that an increase in tax rates would increase revenues and all. it will just today the top 1 percent are paying aout 40 percent of the income tax. the top 25 percentare paying 87% of the income tax. it dos not get any better than that. this is under the bush ax rates. you eliminate those tax rates and you will get less revenues, more capitol flight from the united s
gains tax cut, not from the income-tax increase. lou: you and i have done what the republican, perhaps too often. we talk about the economics of it, the theory of it, if you will, the extraction of it, but but the reality is the republican party has nt come up with a rejoinder, a response to a, if you will, a socialist redistributionist president who right now claims e field is on because the is no other standard flying over that field. there is a speaker of the house to is simply saying, this...
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we'll see hikes in taxs and sales tax increases and more worse is bankruptcies. we see that in stockton and san bernardino. we go to court and bankruptcy law versus pension law. you can see current services cut. tax hikes and other lousy outcomes if we don't see reforms. >> you admit we are having problems paying out the pensions. they are bankrupting. >> the pblem is that los angeles is not the place. and it is a ballot initiative. you have front runners that become mayor . they will not support it it was a nonstarter and never going to work in thetave . you have a better chance of succeeding. >> at least it was a plan . it is no law that said you cannot change 401 k's. that is future and new hires and for their plans. you don't have ill defed benefits and by the way the private sector doesn't get. there is a pension liabity in the state of the california. vicki is right. government services are starting to get cut in cities in california . so i tell you, it doesn't cut it when you have things like let's raise the retirement age to age 52. >> the fact is, these
we'll see hikes in taxs and sales tax increases and more worse is bankruptcies. we see that in stockton and san bernardino. we go to court and bankruptcy law versus pension law. you can see current services cut. tax hikes and other lousy outcomes if we don't see reforms. >> you admit we are having problems paying out the pensions. they are bankrupting. >> the pblem is that los angeles is not the place. and it is a ballot initiative. you have front runners that become mayor . they...
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name, and, now, the tax cuts are good. how can this be? it's interesting, isn't it? that's all for us. have a great weekend. we'll see you monday. good night from new he said the. 40 years back. what are we now? 9:00 p.m. sunday. fox news. relive the dream. dream again. >> the federal government will conduct a national test of the emergency alert system. >> you cannot avoid it. it is everywhere. john: does it make you feel safe the government spent 40 years studying the assault assault -- soap. do we need government to protect workers? >> absolutely. next? -- questi. [laughter] >> good intentions and gone wrong. that is the show. tonight. john: politicians claimed they make life better to pass laws. they have good intentions but we should not judge by intention. politicians good intentions go wrong. work regulation. companies are not greedy they don't care about their workers but seems reasonable government has to protect them. almost everybody agrees. >> they should be protected. >> definitely. so many things could have e
name, and, now, the tax cuts are good. how can this be? it's interesting, isn't it? that's all for us. have a great weekend. we'll see you monday. good night from new he said the. 40 years back. what are we now? 9:00 p.m. sunday. fox news. relive the dream. dream again. >> the federal government will conduct a national test of the emergency alert system. >> you cannot avoid it. it is everywhere. john: does it make you feel safe the government spent 40 years studying the assault...
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he will not pay the tax rates. fairness is among the other americans, not him. that's my two cents more. thars all for to be the. thank you for joining us, dvr the show if you can't catch us live. have a great night. we'll see you right back here tomorrow. ♪ lou: the obama administration tonight ramping up diplomatic efforts to end seer -- syria's bloody civil war and the fear assad could use chemical weapons against his own people. the military is prepared to use poisen gas bombs, secretary of hillary clinton flew to dublin to hold a meeting with her russian counter part and u.n. enjoy to syria meeting to discuss how they would end the now 21-month long conflict in syria and how to move assad from power. and there's no sign they had to reverse the support, and today, a senior lawmaker says the syria government is now incapable of functioning properly. just before the meeting with the russian foreign minister, secretary clinton insisted that the united states and russia share common goals in the region. >> trying
he will not pay the tax rates. fairness is among the other americans, not him. that's my two cents more. thars all for to be the. thank you for joining us, dvr the show if you can't catch us live. have a great night. we'll see you right back here tomorrow. ♪ lou: the obama administration tonight ramping up diplomatic efforts to end seer -- syria's bloody civil war and the fear assad could use chemical weapons against his own people. the military is prepared to use poisen gas bombs, secretary...
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and he's raised tax rates and he was elected based on his tax the rich policy. he says that america is poised to take off and if it doesn't, it's the republicans fault. listen. >> you have the u.s. chamber of commerce hardly an arm of my administration or the democratic party. i think, said the other day, we can't be going through another debt crisis, a debt ceiling crisis like we did in 2011. that has to be dealt with. so, i think businesses are going to be ready to hire. we're seeing pretty strong consumer confidence despite weaknesses in europe and even in asia. i think america is poised to take off. stuart: well, the republicans are set to respond today when speaker boehner goes in front of the cameras. will he show signs of retreat or any sign of compromise? remember, the president wants higher tax rates. will john boehner try to move the line that the president has drawn? we will have it for you live here on "varney & company" starting around ten o'clock eastern. then we have darden restaurants, the parent of olive garden, red lobster. it says its business
and he's raised tax rates and he was elected based on his tax the rich policy. he says that america is poised to take off and if it doesn't, it's the republicans fault. listen. >> you have the u.s. chamber of commerce hardly an arm of my administration or the democratic party. i think, said the other day, we can't be going through another debt crisis, a debt ceiling crisis like we did in 2011. that has to be dealt with. so, i think businesses are going to be ready to hire. we're seeing...
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tax the rich a 10 for the next hundred years. they are intent on preserving them, extending them, and creating them, making them larger meaning bigger bills and government conol. neil: can't they throw a bone to republicans, offer you at the gate, $800 billion in tax hikes? couldn't you throw it back at them first thing offered, doubling the tax hikes, $1.6 trillion. a clumsy start from the get-go, but i don't see any proposals to match, not the republicans spelled out they get the hikes, but to match the effort to raise taxes. >> well, look, at the end of the day, this is the theater they put down the marker, no way, no how will we compromise, and the other says no way, no how will we compromise. at the end of the day, they compromise. thee have no choice. what you'll see is certain lines in the sand that the president said he will not accept. he will not accept a deal that does not include tax hikes on the wealthy. the same time, he understands that in order to get that, he has to give the republicans something they want. by th
tax the rich a 10 for the next hundred years. they are intent on preserving them, extending them, and creating them, making them larger meaning bigger bills and government conol. neil: can't they throw a bone to republicans, offer you at the gate, $800 billion in tax hikes? couldn't you throw it back at them first thing offered, doubling the tax hikes, $1.6 trillion. a clumsy start from the get-go, but i don't see any proposals to match, not the republicans spelled out they get the hikes, but...
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sot's both cutting and taxing, we're too focused on the tax. bottom line, the government takes it out of the system cutting and raising taxes and the small or deficit. that means tt people are going to be out of work, almost by definition in the short run. but in the long run it's a healthier economy that doesn't go down the path of greece. if the long run greece would have low unemployment, but they do not, but yes, we're going to go a percent, if it happen the worse case scenario, but in five years we won't be notble to borrow money. >> brenda: julian, you can go ahead and respd. >> first of all, the ernst & young study has been debunked over and over. and number two, the bush tax cuts,f you let the bush tax cuts. the crs study was a republican study and found the same thing as the cbo. if you letush tax cuts expire on everybody, yes, you would have negative economic impact. the two staetudies done recentl shows the top two rates, top 2%, virtually no impact. to jonas' point if you raise taxes a the lot and cut spending a lot and so austerity
sot's both cutting and taxing, we're too focused on the tax. bottom line, the government takes it out of the system cutting and raising taxes and the small or deficit. that means tt people are going to be out of work, almost by definition in the short run. but in the long run it's a healthier economy that doesn't go down the path of greece. if the long run greece would have low unemployment, but they do not, but yes, we're going to go a percent, if it happen the worse case scenario, but in five...
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two ws and bush tax cuts. melissa: we afree on that. >> bush tax cuts. melissa: we have spent way too . this plan doesn't basically entitlement spending. we don't get our snding, with any ofthese three plans. even going over the cliff we don't get the spendin in order. i will giv you the last word. th we go on. >> the issue with the republicans they're losing is. they're losing the argument, the debate, they're losing everythi. what we need to do is, to respond to the question, what do we do now in three weeks? let's go aheadand give 98% of the american people a tax t. none of us are ignoring the viability and importance of looking at entitlement reform as it relates to savings getting rid of waste fraud and abuse and other aspects. i will not tolerate increase in eligibility or raising the age but what republicans are doing is, they are putting theissue taxes and theye not telling the american people that the enlightment reform and tax reform is ane orissues thatan be discussed in 2013 in deliberative manner liening to you constituents. that is the key.
two ws and bush tax cuts. melissa: we afree on that. >> bush tax cuts. melissa: we have spent way too . this plan doesn't basically entitlement spending. we don't get our snding, with any ofthese three plans. even going over the cliff we don't get the spendin in order. i will giv you the last word. th we go on. >> the issue with the republicans they're losing is. they're losing the argument, the debate, they're losing everythi. what we need to do is, to respond to the question, what...
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it is like a tax revolt. if washington does not act major league owners will be forced to shell out money. the ipad maybe number one but consumers have more options with a tablet. and just how wasteful has indeed york been? consumers and taxpayers aretomit squeezed. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. try our easy-to-use scottrader streaming quotes. it's another reason more investors are saying... [ all ] i'm with scottrade. you know, from our 4,000 television...
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gerri: income tax. >> a payroll tax strictly. it's added to the medicare tax that's taken out, makes a small stop in the trust fund, and funds another program that the president likes. this is the problem. the president is not hoonest with us or the american people. he tells you he loves you and wants to take care of you, but the fact of the matter is, he's going to raise your taxes to a level that, in fact, it's going to kill economic activity in the country. how do we know? look what's happening. on your crawl on the television, dividends paid before december 31st, and why? that behavior's driven by changes in the tax code that are existing law. he's counting on people not paying attention to that. it's the holidays, that's right. they are preparing for christmas, but they have to be worried # about the tax code. gerri: a tax revolt. you'll get more of the same if december 31st passing and nobody does anything. i think everybody's right up to here with what's going on, and you are so nice to talk to us about it. really apprecia
gerri: income tax. >> a payroll tax strictly. it's added to the medicare tax that's taken out, makes a small stop in the trust fund, and funds another program that the president likes. this is the problem. the president is not hoonest with us or the american people. he tells you he loves you and wants to take care of you, but the fact of the matter is, he's going to raise your taxes to a level that, in fact, it's going to kill economic activity in the country. how do we know? look what's...
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yes, i raise tax rates on the rich or no will not. >> you don't raise tax rates which. stuart: you would love no. and started to push like this. you wouldn't know. >> in not addressing the problem stuart: even though it wishes us over the cliff. >> i would vote no because it does not address the problem. the president is the driver in shea. stuart: i'm sorry. i hate to be like this. i'm being obnoxious i know it, but he would vote no . i will not vote for higher tax rates, even if you knew for absolute certainty that pushes aside with a cleft. >> yes. i would vote no for higher tax rates because our children and grandchildren deserve better. stuart: they agree. >> this is a generational issue. stuart: still obnoxious. we use in any way compromise? for example, would you vote yes on the tax rate increase to 37% on upper income murders to wrap up 39, 37. would you vote yes on that? >> that is not something on the table. we haven't seen is a willingness to address spending, and you have to be able to cut spending. you have to be able to reform the way these entitlement pro
yes, i raise tax rates on the rich or no will not. >> you don't raise tax rates which. stuart: you would love no. and started to push like this. you wouldn't know. >> in not addressing the problem stuart: even though it wishes us over the cliff. >> i would vote no because it does not address the problem. the president is the driver in shea. stuart: i'm sorry. i hate to be like this. i'm being obnoxious i know it, but he would vote no . i will not vote for higher tax rates,...
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here iwhat i want in tax increases. by the way i will increase in ending on infrastructure just to show starting from a point where he believes he has real strength and will stick it to the other side. what do you think of the counterproposal from republicans. is it strong or looking weaker? >> with any negotiation with the president's side t especially a few weeks ago, maybe you come out and shoot for the top, knowing you may not meet in the middle. i don't know if they will meet and splithe baby. melissa: right. >> do i think you always know at eventually you will have to rear back a little bit towards the middle. melissa: yeah. >> as far as the republicans counter, i think they're trying to at least in certain, especially with government. there is always posturing, right? melissa: right. >> partly it is posturing hey, we're willing to talk. here's what we're thinking to at least try to jump-start this as the clock continues to kick. melissa: when you look at the nuances what is going on in the media, yesterday everyb
here iwhat i want in tax increases. by the way i will increase in ending on infrastructure just to show starting from a point where he believes he has real strength and will stick it to the other side. what do you think of the counterproposal from republicans. is it strong or looking weaker? >> with any negotiation with the president's side t especially a few weeks ago, maybe you come out and shoot for the top, knowing you may not meet in the middle. i don't know if they will meet and...
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the number one thing to understand already even if all the tax cuts were made permanent, tax revenues projected to grow by 6.2% a year. so what they're really debating about how much should it grow even faster than that in order to enable bigger government. 100% of our fiscal problem is on the spending side. obama is being very inflexible on that. republicans i'm afraid will get taken to the cleaners just what happened in 1990 when read my lips. melissa: would you rather we went over the fiscal cliff? >> compared to what obama's talking about, the fiscal cliff might be better because obama not only wants soak the rich tax increases that would automatically happen, he then wants additional taxes on top of that would be very bad for american competitiveness. we don't want to send jobs to china and india but almost as if obama wants to do that. at least if we went over the cliff, we would get the sequester, which is the budget wonk term for automatic reductions in the growth of spending. melissa: absolutely but i'm not sure republicans are giving in as much as you think. if you drill dow
the number one thing to understand already even if all the tax cuts were made permanent, tax revenues projected to grow by 6.2% a year. so what they're really debating about how much should it grow even faster than that in order to enable bigger government. 100% of our fiscal problem is on the spending side. obama is being very inflexible on that. republicans i'm afraid will get taken to the cleaners just what happened in 1990 when read my lips. melissa: would you rather we went over the fiscal...
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carbon tax okay if you lower tax rates on income? sandra: he's firmly against the carbon tax. he said, however, if they were willing to lower rates across the board in many other ways, he would be willing to discuss it. yes, he did make that point. stuart: okay. sandra: however what i don't like about this is al gore using a tragic situation hurricane sandy as an opportunistic -- stuart: he's not the only one. mayor bloomberg and governor cuomo said the same thing. harry reid said this. i take your point, but go. >> we can sit here and debate this. we don't have conclusive evidence either way. but the bottom line is he wants the government to come in and say we're going to harm small businesses here, we're going to impose the taxes, overregulate, do all the things that hurt these businesses and inhibit their ability to function and grow when we don't have conclusive evidence. that's the problem. stuart: but it's very attractive to a politician, a carbon tax, because it brings in a gusher of money. you tax companies. you tax utilities for the amount of co2s hat they put out in
carbon tax okay if you lower tax rates on income? sandra: he's firmly against the carbon tax. he said, however, if they were willing to lower rates across the board in many other ways, he would be willing to discuss it. yes, he did make that point. stuart: okay. sandra: however what i don't like about this is al gore using a tragic situation hurricane sandy as an opportunistic -- stuart: he's not the only one. mayor bloomberg and governor cuomo said the same thing. harry reid said this. i take...
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>> one reason to raise taxes we have 1 trillion dollar eficit, but i agree with charlie, we've got to cut this noncess out how we need 50 billion of extra stimulus. look, we're running 3illion a day of deficit spending, we don't even know if deficit spending is stimulative. we don't have to prove that that's stimulative. we're running such a huge deficit. unless he's a poker player and this is a bid to throw us off pace, that's not a serious proposal. we're not dealing with this seriously at 1600 pennsylvania avenue and he owes the population a lot more than he's owing. >> neil: adam, i'm worried that they make a christmas treeut of this and throwing more and more ornamts because it's the next legislation that we're cobblingogether we might as well put some spending in there. in this case, a minimum of 50 billion others like chuck scmer talked not trying to find a way to wiggle half a trillion dollars for another construction effort here, and on and on and on. >> well, of course, unfortunately, neil, i should say for better or worse, the way you're describing it is in fact the way it
>> one reason to raise taxes we have 1 trillion dollar eficit, but i agree with charlie, we've got to cut this noncess out how we need 50 billion of extra stimulus. look, we're running 3illion a day of deficit spending, we don't even know if deficit spending is stimulative. we don't have to prove that that's stimulative. we're running such a huge deficit. unless he's a poker player and this is a bid to throw us off pace, that's not a serious proposal. we're not dealing with this seriously...
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tax rates. it may be just tax rates higher for those making half a million a year, i think they'll retreat a little bit. >> i think, too, what i'd like to see the republicans do, i'd like to see them pass a bill extending tax cuts below $250,000 and everyone agrees those should be put through and then put through another bill that extends the tax cuts on those $250,000 and above and let the democrats take ownership because you know, they're going to be held responsible for the economic performance of 2013 and come 2014, you can actually get a political change that might make a difference. stuart: we'll wait and see on that one. art laffer, always a pleasure. >> bye now. stuart: the republicans submit their fiscal cliff solution. now, that plan put out by speaker boehner, includes 800 billion dollars in extra tax revenues and that would come from limiting deductions and not from higher tax rates. and there would also be 1.2 trillion dollars worth of spending cuts and the white house immediately d
tax rates. it may be just tax rates higher for those making half a million a year, i think they'll retreat a little bit. >> i think, too, what i'd like to see the republicans do, i'd like to see them pass a bill extending tax cuts below $250,000 and everyone agrees those should be put through and then put through another bill that extends the tax cuts on those $250,000 and above and let the democrats take ownership because you know, they're going to be held responsible for the economic...
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adding tax hikes on dividends and capital gains. the white house wants 50 billion in new spending next year alone in a long-term deal that is supposed to be about cutting spending. >> not even $400 billion in cuts and they want to have this extra spending that is actually greater than the amount they're willing to cut. it was not a serious proposal. >> the president may have the upper hand because the fiscal cliff tops allow him to back the opposition into a corner by framing this as republicans raising taxes. >> if congress does nothing, every family in america will see theiincome taxes automatically go up on january 1st. that is sort of like a lump of coal you get for christmas. >> congressional democrats operating like they don't have to compromise on spending or taxes. >> elections have consequences. the president campaigned, made it very clear. made very clear that he was supporting ta cuts for the middle-class, that he wanted the expiration of the tax cuts for the high end. >> very little progress among the inside player so fa
adding tax hikes on dividends and capital gains. the white house wants 50 billion in new spending next year alone in a long-term deal that is supposed to be about cutting spending. >> not even $400 billion in cuts and they want to have this extra spending that is actually greater than the amount they're willing to cut. it was not a serious proposal. >> the president may have the upper hand because the fiscal cliff tops allow him to back the opposition into a corner by framing this...
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they know their taxes are going up. they know regulatory expenses are going up and they know if they do make money that will be taxed at a higher rate. a lot of employers are shrugging their shoulders and saying why take the risk. melissa: peter do you agree with that. >> yeah. it is the barack obama effect. only 150,000 a month the man is obsessed what did he say last week campaign, voting is the best revenge. now he is about to take it out on the one or 2%. that is all his focus. he is going around the country, hurricane sandy, rebuilding needs to be done. he is not paying attention to that and certainly not paying attention to jobs creation. instead he is on this vendetta. melissa: ian, at the same time you see companies out there, they're doing what they need to do. we saw ibm for example saying that when it comes to their 401(kk, instead of contributing every other pay period the way they have before they will wait until the very end of the year and do their matching then. almost an accounting trick. not really a t
they know their taxes are going up. they know regulatory expenses are going up and they know if they do make money that will be taxed at a higher rate. a lot of employers are shrugging their shoulders and saying why take the risk. melissa: peter do you agree with that. >> yeah. it is the barack obama effect. only 150,000 a month the man is obsessed what did he say last week campaign, voting is the best revenge. now he is about to take it out on the one or 2%. that is all his focus. he is...
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he raised taxes on the democrats promised him $2 in spending cuts for every dollar in new taxes. george bush is still waiting for those $2 in spending cuts. now the president is saying to live in give you two and a half to one. it's time the democrats and the president stepped up and cut spending. gerri: to that point. i want you to respond to what the white house had to say in response to the republicans offer and then go to michael's point about what you will actually get later. here is what dan pfeiffer said. it promises to lower rates for the wealthy and stick the middle-claas with the bill. we could do it pinocchio test. is that true or false? >> completely false. they want to keep all the race the same. now lower than for anybody. and maintaining the status quo on rates. the deductions are actually targeted for upper-income people. the democrats, the white house, some left wing groups that on behalf of the white house imagined how they would design the republican plan and then they attack it. dishonest during the campaign, and the president is still running a political camp
he raised taxes on the democrats promised him $2 in spending cuts for every dollar in new taxes. george bush is still waiting for those $2 in spending cuts. now the president is saying to live in give you two and a half to one. it's time the democrats and the president stepped up and cut spending. gerri: to that point. i want you to respond to what the white house had to say in response to the republicans offer and then go to michael's point about what you will actually get later. here is what...
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the tax man is coming and he wants to tax everything. there's a long list of everything where the left wants to raise the tax take as of now, monday morning, centers on tax hikes, not spending cuts and certainly not entitlement reform. first to secretary geithner to him and the president, it's all about pushing the republicans to accept tax hikes. >> you know, i can't promise that. that's a decision that lies in the hands of republicans that are now opposing increase in tax rates. if they recognize the reality that we can't afford to extend those tax rates then we have the basis for an agreement for the american people. stuart: other voices on the left are chiming in with tax suggestions and ralph nader says he wants a tax on every single financial transaction including stock trades and he calls it a speculation tax. an editorial in the washington post today calls for an end or at least limits on the deductible for charitable deductions. overwhelmingly the deduction benefits of the wealthy and the rest of the country has to make up the g
the tax man is coming and he wants to tax everything. there's a long list of everything where the left wants to raise the tax take as of now, monday morning, centers on tax hikes, not spending cuts and certainly not entitlement reform. first to secretary geithner to him and the president, it's all about pushing the republicans to accept tax hikes. >> you know, i can't promise that. that's a decision that lies in the hands of republicans that are now opposing increase in tax rates. if they...
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why not raise rates on rich, fight for a simp her tax system that -- simpler tax system that might provide lower taxes down the road. >> well we need to demand concessions on spending. neil: we're not getting them. >> that is the point, so putting up taxes is not a way of getting concessions in the future. neil: from the get go they put up that 800 billion figure. >> a starting point, the problem is that, as you know, not only will the democrats want more in taxes, but they have in place, with this horrible deal that was done a year and a half ago with debt sealing that gives deal -- there is a deal in place. and it recalls that fiscal cliff, but the deal of made a year and a half ago, the republicans, democrats and president signed off on this, allowing tax increases to go back in place. and they signed on to half a trillion in cuts, in domestic programs and half a trillion in defense, understand what this is as a conservative, defense is 16% of the budget. other 84% gets half a trillion, defense getting half a trillion. the democrats are welcoming this to happen. >> the guy who ran secon
why not raise rates on rich, fight for a simp her tax system that -- simpler tax system that might provide lower taxes down the road. >> well we need to demand concessions on spending. neil: we're not getting them. >> that is the point, so putting up taxes is not a way of getting concessions in the future. neil: from the get go they put up that 800 billion figure. >> a starting point, the problem is that, as you know, not only will the democrats want more in taxes, but they...
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but you don't have to wait for the tax hikes. $317 billion in new taxes. set to kick in january 1st. and we will show you the latest tax increase brought to you by the people who created obamacare . get ready for armageddon. is america reelly headed to help? is there any way to stop the document author of after america, mark stein joins me next. ♪ ♪ lou: welcome all fundamental dishonesty at the heart of america's financial crisis. my next guest saas americans really seems of want a european size government with current american size tax rates. one or the other has got to go. we will see. joining us now, author of the best seller, get ready for armageddon. also, a recording of -- i will explain my laughter. his new holiday cd, making spirits bright available on the amazon and itunes. i am trying to think how to do it. >> the words stuck in your throat. lou: it is terrific. it is wonderful. here to prove the point, and it's ggod to have you. i wish you lots of luck. by the way, s t eyn. that's right. and i got it covered. >> that's right. why do i have
but you don't have to wait for the tax hikes. $317 billion in new taxes. set to kick in january 1st. and we will show you the latest tax increase brought to you by the people who created obamacare . get ready for armageddon. is america reelly headed to help? is there any way to stop the document author of after america, mark stein joins me next. ♪ ♪ lou: welcome all fundamental dishonesty at the heart of america's financial crisis. my next guest saas americans really seems of want a...